Victorian election

Despite being far more interested than politics than most people, I have often struggled to get overly interested in state elections. In an ideal world, I think Australia would be better off without the states – or with many more, smaller state/regional governments, alongside a local government (one that is genuinely local) which is recognised in our Constitution.

One of the less-noticed aspects of the agreement reached between the Greens and the Gillard government was a commitment to hold a referendum to formally recognise local government in our Constitution. I hope that does come to pass (although one should always wait to see the final wording before formally committing to supporting a particular referendum question.

But going back to the states – there is an election in Victoria this coming weekend, and the result does have the potential to be more significant than just who ends up in government.  It has long been recognised that the Greens have a strong chance of breaking through into winning Lower House seats, just as they did in the House of Reps seat of Melbourne at this year’s federal election.

However, the Liberal’s decision to assist the Labor Party by putting the Greens last on all their how to vote cards makes those chances of a Lower House (Legislative Assembly) breakthrough much harder for the Greens. Should the Greens still manage to win a seat – particularly if it combines with getting balance of power in the Upper House – this election could play a wider role in facilitating a longer term realignment in Australian politics.

I wrote a piece about this for New Matilda last week, which can be read at this link.  (And a reminder, if you support independent media and journalism, New Matilda are still seeking donations to help them determine whether or not they can return to being a viable, ongoing operation – you can donate by clicking here).

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  1. “Despite being far more interested than politics than most people, I have often struggled to get overly interested in state elections.”

    One of the main reason I’d like the states to be abolished in favor of smaller regional governments is because the state governments simply don’t get the scrutiny they deserve, it’s like everyone who is politicially minded is fatigued by the federal level alone!

  2. I think it is inevitable that the local councils will receive constitutional power within a relatively short space of time. I’m sure the aim of the Labor Party is to continue making the regional councils larger, but supplying them with less money. This would give a centralised government in Canberra far greater power over the people, while wiping out control by the States.

    At the moment, it serves Labor’s purposes to corporatise everything with the co-operation of State Labor Premiers, leaving Mayors & Councillors powerless to stop them.

    While a centralised government may seem like a good option to save money by eliminating double handling, I’m sure the main game is to completely kneecap the general populace in the workplace, home and wider community.

    Kevin-O-Lemon-O-Mandarin sits in the parliament as Foreign Minister, while waiting in the wings to lead an Asia/Pacific Economic Union down a slippery slope to economic oblivion, with plenty of assistance from global bodies such as the IMF.

    Sparky Davidson is right in that everyone is fatigued by the federal government alone, but their pockets are also being emptied by state governments and large corporations in a fierce competition to collect the most fees, tolls, taxes, charges and fines.

    I’m wondering if we wouldn’t end up with even more conflicts if there were an increased number of States & constitutionally empowered Councils.

    They might all be so busy flexing their muscles and beating their chests, while also fighting over nano-managed federal funding, that they are less likely to notice our national sovereignty being slowly but relentlessly stripped away.

    I saw reports on TV about the Slave Labor Party giving the Crown Casino “immunity” from responsibility for workplace abuses of both staff and patrons. Tim Costello (World Vision) & Nick Xenophon (Independent Senator) both opposed gambling.

    We’re certainly in need of a more diverse group of people in the parliament than just warring Labor & Liberals.

  3. Oh well, it looks as if the people of Victoria could be in for another round of “same old … same old” – boring worn out parties battling for supremacy, before a major split and brand new parties are formed.

  4. In the wake of the Vic election, interesting to not that the NSW government has climbed down over the Tillegra dam.
    Fancy doing a $hundred million on a project, before you’ve even got the reports in from the scientists!

  5. I guess, thinking further, The SMH report am referring to, just out, claims the water requirements for the Hunter required a dam of the Tillegra size.
    Time for Kenneally and the other social conservatives to admit that high population is a dud?

  6. However, the Liberal’s decision to assist the Labor Party by putting the Greens last on all their how to vote cards makes those chances of a Lower House (Legislative Assembly) breakthrough much harder for the Greens.

    Andrew, ignoring your choice of words, I think we could all agree that the Lib’s made no decision to “assist the Labor Party”, but rather took a conscious (and conscionable) decision to work against the radical green party.

    Nice result in the end, in any case …. :)

  7. GZG:

    Well, I think both views have merit. To put any party last is to give it the death knell on election day. To put The Greens last would certainly empower Labor to a significant degree.

    I think we could all agree that most voters are still locked into electing the major parties, which I’m sure you wouldn’t really support, because you are a member of the DLP.

    I couldn’t say I thought putting Liberals in charge again is the best result a lot of Victorians could have wished for. We all know they have no social conscience where the poor and the underdog are concerned, and have a primary aim of empowering the wealthy. They also support corporatisation, which is anti-government, anti-worker, anti-consumer and pro-globalist.

    At the federal level, they support putting a bond on High Care, which could have a devastating social outcome, depending on how it is applied.

    I specifically asked the National Seniors of Australia to invite ALL CANDIDATES to their pre-election forums in 4 marginal Victorian seats, but they were only interested in giving their members a rundown of the policies of Coalition, Labor and Greens.

    The only other candidates they invite are incumbents, if they belong to some other group or are running as Independents. But you can invite yourself and be accepted.

    Some are pushing to form their own political party, but I think this would be impossible, judging by the significant differences in their beliefs and life circumstances. For example, some of those who are superannuants are mighty eager to fleece the 10% of their peers who finish up in aged care centres backed by The Macquarie Group.

    The NSA supports a bond on High Care for their frail elderly counterparts and the whole society contributing to an Old Age Fund, which would be similar to a Health Fund or added onto your Superannuation Contribution.

    There are no prizes for guessing which corporation would be utilising the proceeds for their own benefit and empowerment.

  8. I think we could all agree that most voters are still locked into electing the major parties, which I’m sure you wouldn’t really support, because you are a member of the DLP.

    Rolling on the floor laughing, and without abbreviation.

    So “GZG” is on the DLP’s membership roll? Remarkable presumption albeit wrong.

    That said, their policies sound good, including the Steve Fielding special “2 for 1” promo’ …. handed down to Andrew Bolt, and then handed down to Andrew Rob.

  9. GZG:

    Come now, Tony Zegenhagen told me you belong to the DLP and live not far from my neck of the woods. If you don’t support corporatisation, why the hell would you vote for Liberals???

    The latest I heard is that Liberals have stolen the DLP’s 2-for-1 refugee policy. I think all parties should support Family First’s policy on budgetting, which is where older people are paid $100 for 4 hours spent teaching young people to manage their money.

    When I was giving out HTVs in the federal seat of Dickson, a fairly frustrated woman came along to where I was standing and specifically asked for a Refugee Policy. Luckily I had listened to the pre-election radio interviews, and could tell her the DLP’s policy. Then she asked me why we cannot process refugees on-shore. I said she had better ask John Howard, since it was his idea, not ours.

    Since no one else said anything, I assumed they had no idea what their parties supported, which seemed mighty strange to me. I even had to tell one guy giving out HTVs for Liberals to get into the blogosphere and find out what various parties supported, which would also be a good piece of advice for anyone reading here. Also be careful to check out what Independents in your electorate support and to whom they are passing preferences BEFORE you vote.

    Anyway I think we are back to both on-shore and off-shore processing, due to the number of asylum seekers increasing apace, with resultant overcrowding.

    I would also appreciate a few other opinions being express here. I don’t care who you are, how old you are, or any of the rest of it, let us read what you think! Please don’t leave all of the heavy lifting to the same people.

  10. I’m not a member of any political part Lorikeet.

    Believe Mr Zegenhagen, believe me, or more likely, acknowledge that you simply erred .

    Not a biggie really, just take care when you presume what’s not in evidence.

    I’m certainly not offended by the alleged DLP association.

    What’s not to like about them?

  11. GZG:

    Well, you do sound more like a Liberal to me, and a fickle one at that.

    If you like the DLP, why would you be “rolling on the floor laughing, and without abbreviation”?

    As it happens, I saw Tony Zegenhagen yesterday, and asked him about you. He said you cannot make up your mind whether you are coming or going.

    That would seem to be borne out by your comments here.

  12. If you like the DLP, why would you be “rolling on the floor laughing, and without abbreviation”?

    I was ROFLWA at your errant presumption, not at the party or the notion that one might consider being a member.

    Chill Coral …… :) All is well.

    Ken, you are sounding all kind of charismatic – a nice look. Preach it bro’.

  13. You have to be joking lorikeet, you have spent twelve months on Steve fieldings site pushing the DLP agenda and calling the Greens watermelons and accusing them of seeking a OWG, you are a conspiracy theorist who spits venom on the Greens on a daily basis, get back to Barnaby’s blog where you belong ,

    kind regards

  14. Atta gal, Lorikeet.
    He probably means “loosen up, babe”, not “chill out”, anyway.
    Loved your disdain back him tho, that WAS spectacular.
    Cooloola, default is, at least she participates…

  15. Paul Walter:

    Cooloola is never happy unless she is being exceedingly unkind to other people, especially if they are heterosexual.

    On Steve Fielding’s blog, most people didn’t even bother to answer her. She calls people names and criticises them constantly. I have never encountered her on Barnaby’s Blog. Maybe he has blocked all of her bitchery.

    The blogosphere would be a better place if everyone moderated Cooloola’s bad manners and distinct lack of interest in reading links.

    I am a dancer and GZG does not annoy me. At night he laughs at ideas that aren’t even funny, because he is no good in bed, and therefore has nothing better to do.

  16. Feral:

    You might need to ask his wife about that.

    That’s an interesting poem, but I don’t think I ever met a man who was like that, or a woman like that either.

    Maybe we should leave GZG alone, since a lot of rubbish can sometimes be heard on the grapevine.

  17. Paul:

    I think you must mean a many splendoured thing. I think it is pretty clear she didn’t get any love at all, not that she tried very hard. Maybe you need to read the poem again in the cold hard light of day.

    It seems to me that you men are more interested in sex (or the lack thereof) than the topic you are supposed to be discussing. I suggest you drag your brains out of the bedroom and tell us what you think about the Victorian election.

  18. Lorikeet, yes, I’m sure GZG is a lovely person & a wonderful companion, even if his politics are completely wrong. So in future I promise to be nice to him. But I’m relying on you to keep up your end of the bargain too!

    Paul Walter, the young wife in the lament is most unsatisfied, so to speak…. In another version of the lyrics she contemplates the… well, `virtues’ isn’t exactly the right word in this context, so shall we say the `advantages’ of younger men.

    For a plaintive, raucous, bawdy rendition of the song check out June Tabor & Maddy Prior.

  19. Speaking from a personal aspect, I can assure women turning up to this blog, that the “advantages” of young men, as dishonestly pushed by youthful tyros, are false suppositions.
    For that sympathy, understanding and patience required by sensitive woman of discernment and taste, do not go past “the older man”.
    I do not say this ‘cos have just turned 57 myself, but out of concern for the well-being of our sisterhood.
    Don’t be fooled by substitutes.
    Now I have my contact details on the ready and my motives are only ever compassionate,

  20. It seems to me that you men are more interested in sex (or the lack thereof) than the topic you are supposed to be discussing. I suggest you drag your brains out of the bedroom

    Lori, Lori ….. I have (it seems) been the target of all manner of slurs, whilst you remain “bedroom” focused (rather bizarrely I might add). Let’s keep things squeaky clean now as there are kiddies around.

    To Mr Paul Walter, as a young’un (so to speak and relative to your somewhat more advanced years), I admire your concern for the sisterhood, and of course, your compassionate motives.

    Maintain the faith, keep up the good work!

  21. Paul, I could give you a few years and not even miss them. I have, therefore, some experience of what you call ‘the older man’. They are, indeed, preferable to some of the younger ones because that tendency to suicide so regrettably found in the late teens or early 20s has somewhat abated, but the disadvantages are that bodily defects are somewhat more apparent, and, to try to get this back on track .. just for a moment .. ossified thinking often kicks in. Some people are still stuck with the political views they formed in their Youth, and find it difficult to take on board new information, possibly changing opinions in the light of those.

    Whatever one’s tribal loyalty to the ALP, in my case, or any other party might be, it can’t be denied that the Greens seem to be showing potential to take over some of the ground that the ALP has stupidly conceded to them. It will be interesting to see whether research into the phenomenon of WIkileaks has had any measurable effect on the NSW election – though the water is very cloudy there .. the Victorians were lucky to miss blowback from Gillard and McClelland’s hasty rush to shove feet in mouth over Mr Assange. Public opionion is surprisingly pro-Wikileaks, given that it is an issue packed with long documents and big words. Roll on th day when local government dealings are thus leaked .. oh, roll on that day!

  22. Cheeky upstarts!
    Togret, your comment on local government is so true. Right across the country the sort of thing you mention goes on, but we are assured that it its not typical, just some thing that happens only in our neighborhood (join dots). But discounting local variation, it is a corrupt system and legislated to be, corrupt.
    Now, off to take my walking frame for its afternoon walk. Byeeee.

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