Ronan Lee promotes green-ness more strongly than anticipated!

Ronan Lee was due to speak just prior to me at the Love Earth Gathering at the top of Brisbane’s Queen Street Mall yesterday morning.  When I arrived, the organisers told me he had sent them a text message that morning giving his apologies, saying an urgent matter had come up.  I must say that, despite his previous record of being prepared to be a bit outspoken, I’d assumed he must have got some pressure not to appear at the event, which was predominantly about promoting the greenhouse and other environmental benefits of a low or no meat diet.

However, it seems he was genuinely occupied with other more urgent things, with his announcement this afternoon that he had joined the Green Party, giving them their first MP at state or federal level in Queensland.  Click here to read a long blog piece I’ve this on this for Crikey.

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  1. I must admit to being a little gobsmacked when I saw this on the news tonight. It’s not often one leaves a party when you’re in parliament to join a party with a lesser chance of being elected (though I note Don Chipp did so many years ago).

    I’m guessing he thinks that he has a fair chance of being re-elected, given his reasonably high profile and his seat, which I imagine has quite a few environmentally inclined voters.

    This will be very interesting to watch.

  2. BRILLIANT to see someone ethical in principles following their moral choices with appropriate action. It was the most exciting and sensible thing I have seen happen all year in Queensland politics. I look forward to seeing Labor giving their preferences to the Greens next election.

  3. I don’t believe its honourable, ethical or constitutional to disguise yourself as a party devotee for parliamentary election and once in parliament switch allegiance. From now on every election could present a constitutional crisis as MPs like Lee defect for other political agendas. If you get into the parliament and change your colours you should resign. Lee should step down and take his chance at the next election. A bi-election should be held to replace him and if an ALP candidate comes up trumps…so be it. What sort of democracy allows seat and party swapping with candidates confused on who they support. If all they want is a seat in parliament…we don’t need them.

  4. Are the Greens supporters of big white teeth via ,what type of fluoride!? And I had a look at him a smiling. Sometimes Andrew,I think you are really wrong about immigration,I dont want to press it too much,but some of these people seem to get all the bloody privileges of life,and who remains as a single passport Australian ,just wonder sometimes are we being served.!? The answer when it comes to them having the complete control over some types of expenditure is exactly ,NO! I wondered almost aloud why people like a Elizabeth something in the SMH insist that if you dont vote,you should be treated as a second rate citizen.The Greens accepting this candidate,and individuals like Elizabeth will never understand..it is much to easy not to see the contradictions of this democracy and instead turn it on individuals you dont know.Its bad enough being crazily angry about how the Victorian Government spent 150 million dollars on a rail ticket system ,whilst my father was lying in bed all day,and never received any superannuation for all the years he worked,whilst it is damned sure that the Bureaucrat who made the decision,,always knew he would get his,even if the ticketing system failed,as it did.So this Irish person and Elizabeth something are the same type of animal that get it too easy.The crap on his website re fluoride,just makes me think,we need a constant review of all professional standards,including the associations themselves,other wise this country will end up with only Irish ambition and doubtful logicians like Elizabeth!

  5. Chris Morris:

    In a perfect universe, it would indeed be right for a parliamentarian who was elected as a candidate for one party to resign before changing parties.

    However, we live in this imperfect world ….

    Hate to sound picky but I always thought that it was to elect a fellow citizen, not a political party, that we voted.

    Can’t remember reading much about the specific rights and privledges of political parties anywhere in the Constitution.

    Contrary to what Andrew Bartlett said in the linked Crikey item, I think Ronan Lee has a good chance of being re-elected because he did take this stand …. which, by the way, he has every right to take. Trouble is, all the old-fashioned political parties will gang up on him simply because his action might derail their gravy-train.

    I expect dirt will shovelled at him …. so it was him who was responsible of the Spanish Inquistion, SARS, the Boxing Day Tsunami and the SubPrime Crisis, was it? Well, there you go, I was wondering who was really to blame.

    The loud cheering you can hear comes from all those former supporters of the Big Business Party, also known as the Academics and Lawyers Party, formerly and officially known as the Australian Labor Party.

    The arrogant remote ALP really deserved this.

    For years now, they have paid only lip service to social justice and to progress and to the everyday real needs of ordinary Australians.. They ignored the underlying causes of the One Nation phenomenon and continued to treat ordinary Australians – their supposed supporters – as contemptable bogans. They still heap our money on their pals or their hobby-horses whilst the rest of the citizenry goes short of the essentials – like affordable public housing and roads that don’t get cut off every time there is a shower of rain.

    The only thing the ALP will learn from this is how to impose stricter controls on their parliamentarians so as to stop more jumping ship.

  6. Chris, did you raise the same hue and cry when the Nationals took over the Queensland Liberals?

    You could argue that there are bigger policy differences between the Libs and Nats than between Labor (at least on paper, if not in practice) and the Greens.

  7. I think Edmund Burke discussed this very issue in the19th century .. he said something like, the people elect someone whose duty is not to do everything that the constituents prefer, but to give them the benefit of, and be held accountable for, her or his own judgment. If the politician had to do everything that the various opinion polls suggest, we’d have mass changing of the seats in Parliament House every half an hour sometimes, as opinion polls reflect changing whims, inadequate information, populist eddies and flows and biased media campaigns. We’d have capital punishment, for a start, as every time it is polled about, they seem to find a majority in favour of it, yet it is not present now in any jurisdiction.

    William Hughes seems to have managed to change parties at least a couple of times and be re-elected, or are we more tribal now? I doubt it.

  8. I think Ronan Lee has acted in a very intelligent manner.

    Ever heard of rats deserting a sinking ship? If they stayed on board, they might drown.

    Phil:

    A Pommy friend has just returned from a trip back to the UK. She says their schools are overflowing with students of various nationalities – a large proportion of whom cannot speak English. The English children are the minority group.

    On the fluoride issue, I think the government is trying to pick up the tab for numerous irresponsible parents again. Fluoridating the water is probably also a cheap alternative to providing free public dental services, which are very sorely lacking.

  9. I don’t pretend to speak for Ronan Lee, but I find it difficult to believe that he ever intended to switch to the Greens until recently. He has faced 2 elections already as a Labor party member and has now decided that Labor no longer.stands for what they did – or what he thought they did.

    And as Graham says, we elect individuals – not parties (except, of course, in the above the line Senate ballot).

    Didn’t Anna Bligh seem annoyed, though?

  10. You are right about Ronan Loorikeet, a rat,and expects as a new member of The Greens,to be fully understood in your terms,I suspect! Since when,however,is it a biological fact,that there is such a thing as failed parents re food stuffs I expect,well, if people like Ronan know the causal reasons for tooth decay and ill health ,why is it a cheap alternative has to be found,when the history of the justification for fluoride use,is one of the saddest stories of military experiment upon an unsuspecting public !?.With whole cities from surveys being shown to be badly effected since,in the U.S.A. There is no justice in the peaceful use of fluoridation as a form of dental treatment,when initially it was used for social mind control reasons,well and truly researched before application .Hard Evidence Magazine did an article on it from a book written by a Medical Doctor. When I see the word fluoride,I can sink deeper than the shallow human being which Ronan obviously is.And as a rat to the Greens story,then they can chew on something other than organic,and dine at the same table as Wong.No doubt there will be many onion growers ready to send Wong Ronan and the Greens Pickled onions to eat as they like…to have that cattle experience.The water used in fire fighting equipment hasn’t got flouride in it in case they have to put out a fire from the assembled supper of know alls.Fluoride has a distinct smell,perhaps it should also be used as under arm soakadermia,but, I guess other deodorants have the market cornered as far as cancer inducing substances are concerned!? Smile!?

  11. Frankly I don’t know what all the racist comments above have to do with Ronan Lee’s defection to the Greens. People really do get off topic at times.

    If you want to know more about why Ronan switched camps then please go to http://www.youtube.com/greenupqueensland – one major station took at least one quote out of context.

  12. The Parliamentary Library produced a research paper that is well worth reading: the Rise of the Australian Greens (Andrew may wish to skip over the ‘Pushing aside the Australian Democrats’ section).

    In order for Ronan Lee to have a chance at retaining the seat at the next Queensland election, one of two things will need to happen: one the major parties do not contest the seat or the Greens manage to be ahead of one of the major parties after the first preference count.

    Ronan Lee’s chances of retaining the seat should not be discounted at this stage. The Greens have managed to achieve considerable support in the Indooroopilly electorate, with their first preference count during the last three Queensland elections being as follows:2001| 2004| 2006
    10.08%| 14.49%| 17.11%

    With the Liberals achieving 42.43% and the ALP 40.46% of first preferences within the Indooroopilly electorate at the 2006 Queensland election, Ronan Lee will need to take with him a significant amount of support from those who last time voted for Labor and also garner support from the Liberal-National voters.

    Peter King (2004 Wentworth: 17.98%), Gavan O’Connor (2007 Corio: 12.68%) and Sue Walker (2008 Nedlands: 22.75%) managed to show sitting MPs can take a sizable portion of support with them when recontesting their seats after leaving their party.

    Should Ronan Lee manage to do the same in addition to maintaining or increasing support for the Greens within the Indooroopilly electorate, then he has a very good chance of keeping the seat for the Greens.

  13. Peter King (2004 Wentworth: 17.98%), Gavan O’Connor (2007 Corio: 12.68%) and Sue Walker (2008 Nedlands: 22.75%) managed to show sitting MPs can take a sizable portion of support with them when recontesting their seats after leaving their party.

    There’s also examples like Bob Katter or Kris Hanna who did well enough to retain their seat. However, although all of those people quit their party, they re-contested as an Independent, not with a new party.

    That doesn’t negate the chances of Ronan retaining his seat – although it will be tough with both major parties having primary votes over 40%, rather than one of them having a low vote, making it easier for them to leapfrog them and piggy back home on their preferences (a la Kris Hanna in Mitchell at the last SA election).

    But joining another party and running under their label does have some difference to running as an Independent.

  14. Daniel:

    Facts are not racism.

    Phil:

    There are at least 4 factors associated with dental decay: genetic inheritance, diet, fluoride, toothbrushing/flossing.

    When parents give their kids rubbish to eat and do not participate in (and teach) good oral hygiene, they’re letting their kids down.

    I gave my kids fluoride when they were little and they have perfect teeth. I am against the fluoridation of water, because road workers in particular are going to get a hell of dose.

    But it wouldn’t surprise me if governments used fluoride for mind control purposes.

    Now getting back to the topic being discussed, perhaps members of the Labor Party will “amalgamate” with the Greens using an entirely new modus operandi. When I saw Ronan Lee on the news, I got the impression he was expecting a couple of others to follow suit (no names given).

    When I mentioned rats, I meant that anyone could swim off before the ship sank. Both federal and state ALP have turned at least a light shade of Green, haven’t they?

  15. I wont be going to a suggested website by Daniel,his arrogant assumption about me,is exactly outnumbered by the numbers and variety of people affected by the use of medication such as Fluoride to control massive numbers of people without them knowing they were experimented with.Another site to check out for this story is DavidIcke.com.If Daniel is unable to understand a basic notion about a country’s own military experimenting with its own population,and not give a small bit of tolerance,by implication,about what I am saying re mainly aboriginals,I cannot understand why Andrew Bartlett hasn’t removed Daniel’s comment.Being of Irish and Scottish descent,and seeing much that is wrong with fluoridation,as much as I do see something very wrong about Ronan,I declare as a citizen of Australia that only has the single option of being Australian,like Aboriginal Australia generally,that fluoridation for their water supplies ,means exactly that they are being treated as second rate citizens.Whereas all the more than one passport options as citizens in this country,say and do to. not only this country but its real citizens,enough that is contemptuous,as as choice and enabled bureaucratic authority,to start a list of people who one day maybe asked to leave.I do not want for myself or any other citizen of this nation,the peaceful use of fluoridation as a intentional matter badly researched,whose foundations of use was war,and further more the question of what type of fluoride has simply not been answered by the self-important know-alls that find fault with me,know doubt because they think I am both irrational and emotional.And you maybe right!?But Andrew,maybe able to find a telephone number for you,if you bloody well insist.And I will not be offended by the likes of Daniel! I therefore declare,to free Andrew of any legal responsibility,that to me,I am using his blogsite,and fluoridation is an act of war ,and that means I will defend myself,and suggest all Australians must do to

  16. “facts are not racism”

    This is true. But gross generalisations which reflect negatively on people on the basis of their race are racist.

  17. Bob:

    Facts are neither “gross generalisations” nor “racism”.

    It is extremely irresponsible of governments to keep increasing population numbers without having already increased infrastructure – hospitals, schools, public transport etc – also English classes being held at appropriate times.

    Last week a little boy in my area waited 32 hours at the Royal Brisbane Hospital to have his broken arm attended to. Now the government plans to build a super hospital for children on the southside, while getting rid of excellent children’s health services at the RBH, which are also serviced by research centres.

    They don’t seem to care that northside children could die in ambulances in transit to the proposed new facility.

    Other large capital cities have 2 hospitals to service the needs of children, and even they are overburdened with casualties and long surgical waiting lists.

    You bring in more people than you can comfortably accommodate, and more people of EVERY RACE will be left to die or suffer educationally.

  18. ” Facts are neither “gross generalisations” nor “racism” ”

    That’s true, but your comment regarding schools in the UK was a gross generalisation and thus not a fact.

    I’m not sure what any of this has to do with Ronan Lee, unless there is some suggestion he shouldn’t have been allowed to migrate here because Australia/Queensland was already full in the 1980s, whcih would be a rather silly suggestion.

    Blaming migrants for hospital wating times is rather ridiculous too. A large number of the doctors and nurses working in our hospitals are migrants, so waiting times not to mention average service standards would be far worse without them.

  19. Sorry Lorikeet for the misunderstanding of Bob’s of your last post.The word English set him off,perhaps a tad self-conscious,after all,I did state in rather poor punctuation,because of the character restraints[being the number of alphabet letters and spaces etc.],that I didn’t want any type of citizen having fluoridation forced on them.And the word Irish as I used it,couldn’t possible confer a general Irish trait when I was refering also to the uniqueness of some having two nationalities ,and are able to vote a ‘cheap way’ for a class of persons with one nationality and a racial matter as history involved in that.I was ,and, still object to, your statements about parents.It is simply impossible to claim an illegitimacy of parents as parents re diet,because of some of the impossibility of early childhood learning.No parents are completely alike nor kids,then take real bad social and economic matters and its worse.Parents can only pull themselves up by the bootstraps,if they have them,or what is the point of twisting the ears of parents if you think they cannot hear or be lead!?The behaviour will tend to go to lower age groups. And Bob,if I have a problem with Poms or the English ,you will see it clearly,and if it applies to you,it is because you are defending yourself as part of that generality.You are either a pom or someone who can discern something more about yourself,for living in Australia,and maybe having deeply similar experiences to myself. Unless of course,your individuality is completely based on being a pom! A life being lived surely doesn’t always confer a reference to nation!? In the case of Aboriginals,like myself,they rarely go overseas,unless its collecting bones for example! And not ones that show extreme responses to a form of fluoridation,cleverly marketed to make people feel they are being responsible in using it or exacting the cost out of parents!?

  20. like myself,could be misunderstood.I am Irish Scottish generally,but born of Australian parents in Australia.I feel I am a proxy ,aboriginal,that is I have feelings about landscape,country,if you like,with two distinct differences to the genetics of the more original population.Wearing bloody shoes,and English as a native tongue.That hasnt got bindi weed on it!

  21. I don’t have a quarrel with someone changing their political affiliations after being elected, but I’d rather if that happens, they then resigned their seat and recontested at the next election on the basis of their new policy views – whether that’s with another party or as an independent.

    Ronan Lee was elected on a Labor party policy platform and while we do vote for the individual not the party – and seats are not owned by a party – I don’t doubt that he was elected on the basis that he would do his best to represent his constituents as per the policy platform he publicly endorsed at the time he stood for election.

    If an elected representative changes their mind on what they believe or stand for after being elected they can’t just assume the people who voted for them have also automatically changed their minds on what they believe or want their elected representative to stand for.

  22. Bob:

    Last night on TV, they said the number of Queensland hospital beds had gone down, despite a huge increase in population. So I rest my case as to the government being socially irresponsible.

    If you want to turn my comments into racial attacks, it’s on your own head.

  23. “So I rest my case as to the government being socially irresponsible.

    If you want to turn my comments into racial attacks, it’s on your own head.”

    Of course the government is socially irresponsible. Who was disagreeing with that? All governments should provide sufficient social infrastructure for their population. Why is it migrants fault that the government is irresponsible. New migrants can’t even vote, so they are even less to blame for the government than anyone else.

    I am not turning your comments into anything. I was correcting you and your misrepresentation of what racism is.

  24. Bob:

    In the process of your “whiteist” attack, you missed the main thrust of my argument which was the government’s social irresponsibility – both in the UK and Australia. No one was blaming migrants. You read that in yourself.

    My pommie friend was concerned about anglo-saxons becoming the new minority group in the UK. It’s the same experience the aboriginal peoples have had here, and they didn’t like it, did they? But I think her main concern was the effects on the education system.

    Please re-read my previous posts without the racist construction and perhaps you’ll understand them better.

  25. “Please re-read my previous posts without the racist construction and perhaps you’ll understand them better.”

    You put the racist construction there. Why should I have to re-read them filtering out your own constructions. I understand perfectly well what you wrote, and you could easily have written differently if you were trying to make the same point without casting aspersions and without the obvious exaggeration.

    How about you re-write your previous comments without the racist constructions and you won’t have to worry about being misunderstood. Although looking back through many of your other comments, you would have a fair bit of re-writing to do, so I can understand why you want everyone else to do the work of re-reading.

  26. Lorikeet- the population of the UK who dislike the arrival of people of different skin colour or religion or culture from themselves are not being invaded by force and having their land stolen, their right to even speak their own language, practice their own religion or live where they like denied them, leaving aside the issue of stolen children and massacres.

    Strictly speaking, the people of the UK are much more than merely anglo-saxon in origin, and the widespread use of that term is an example of cultural blindness to the co-existence of many cultures, languages and even skin colours that has been going on for centuries in the UK.

    I note that ‘race’ is a constant theme on this blog eventually, particularly when some people including you, take that particular tack on some other issue. I don’t say you have no right to your views, but it certainly is illuminating. Like the psychiatric patient in the old joke, who complained that every ink blot shown them was about sex, it can be hard for all of us to see beyond our own perspective on the world. Teaching English to speakers of other languages has been the most illuminating job about myself that I’ve ever had. It’s been painful and joyful, and certainly relevatory.

    I thought that the point of this thread was whether or not a member of parliament was duty bound to represent what s/he perceived to be the views of his/her electors, or whether they have the right to do what they think is right, having been elected, so long as they take responsibility for the disappointment at the next election of some who voted for them previously?

  27. Dolphins:

    I don’t think you can blame me for the fact that people are very quick to take every comment as a racist slur. In this instance, I was answering another poster.

    You must have noticed that some of Andrew’s posts are devoted to the issue of racism.

    I don’t think citizens of the UK have much choice in who arrives there, regardless of their colour, relevant infrastructure, availability of work or any other considerations.

    Governments (including ours) make decisions which aren’t subject to referenda.

    Once politicians are elected, they seem to be able to do just about anything they choose, either collectively or singly, and then take the risk of biting the dust on the next polling day.

    If a Prime Minister has sufficient support, he can easily run a totalitarian regime for years, before losing his own seat. Does this remind you of anyone???

    Bob:

    You are entitled to interpret my comments in any way of your choosing. If you want to continue to interpret them in the most negative fashion, that’s up to you.

    Where is your input – beyond the parameters of accusing others of racism? I don’t think I’ve found any yet. I think you have deliberately thrown a spanner into a couple of debates.

  28. LORIKEET

    Hi mate haven’t spoken to you for awhile.

    Ronan Lee like all other minor party members will have the ALP and the LNP preference against him.

    Its the norm and maintains the body of the two headed beast.
    His chances of re-election especially in that seat a very slim indeed. Besides with the financial meltdown, no ones interested in the crazy ets scheme these days, so going green might even expedite is fall.

    Tony

  29. “Ronan Lee like all other minor party members will have the ALP and the LNP preference against him.”

    That’s not usually true Tony, and I doubt it will happen on this occasion. With optional preferential voting in Queensland, both major parties may recommend people “just vote 1”, (as the Greens have done in the past). It’s not certain they will do this as yet, but they certainly won’t preference each other ahead of the Greens.

    It is only on rare occasions that Labor & Lib/Nat preference each other ahead of significant minor party candidates – Pauline Hanson being the obvious example, with her views being considered so toxic that they both decided to put her last (although the conservatives didn’t in 1998 in Queensland, which played some role in her extraordinary success in that year’s state election).

    Both the Democrats and Greens gained Senate seats which they would not have won had Liberal or Labor prefenced each other first. The same applies with Family First, who would have no chance at all of winning without Liberal party preferences and of course won their Victorian Senate seat on Labor preferences.

    The Greens won at least one of their WA Upper House seats in the recent state election there on the back of Liberal preferences. I would have to check to be sure, but off the top of my head I doubt they would have any Senate seats outside of Tasmania if both major parties preferenced each other first. I certainly would not have got re-elected to the Senate in 2001 if the major parties had preferenced each other and against me.

    Given your DLP interest Tony, I thought I’d quickly check the preference tickets for the Victorian Senate contest (the DLP’s best state) at the 2007 election. Both Labor and Liberal preferenced the DLP ahead of each other. In fact the Libs only had Family First higher than the DLP (way ahead of the Democrats), while Labor also had the DLP ahead of the Democrats and then Family First – all ahead of the Liberals.

  30. Andrew:

    I was talking mostly about lower house seats. (breaking up the party there) Yes we do remember Pauline Hanson and dont forget your own Janine Haines. Your probably right though with optional preferential it is becoming almost a first past the post situation in Queensland which is not good for anybody.

    I can’t see a green wining a seat in queensland without substancial preferential support.

    The senate is a different story.

    Family first is probably closer to the liberal party these days than either the DLP or the Democrats which would explain having the FF ahead of us there and the same for the demorcrats. The DLP is more closely linked these days with the National Party/ALP which should benefit us now that a Ex National is head of the senate in Qld.

    The Democrats have got to convince both the major partys that they are a better alternative then the greens next time around and I think you should be working in that direction. Maybe distance yourselves a bit from the greens.

    I doubt whether the liberals though will pass their preferences to the greens in the seat of Melbourne though next time around.

    Tony

  31. It is often reported that Janine Haines lost her bid for a lower house seat in 1990 because Labor & Liberal preferenced each other ahead of her, but it is actually not true. They certainly launched a very strong, well resourced misinformation campaign against her in the final week because of their fear she would win – which has been publicly by Alexander Downer and Nick Minchin. But they didn’t preference against her – perhaps they were worried it might give her more support.

    From memory, the NSW Libs preferenced Labor ahead of the Greens the state election before last, which helped Labor survive in one or two inner city seats, but I doubt they’ll do it again. We’ll see what they do in Melbourne, but my guess they will put Greens before Labor – it forces Labor to divert resources to holding the seat that they could otherwise spend elsewhere.

    How each of the majors preference the minors relative to each other is a separate issue. My main point is that it is still rare for the majors to put the minors lower than their main competitor, even in lower house seats.

    Ronan Lee will have his work cut out, but local factors and personal vote can count for much more in the smaller state electorates. Its still up to a year away, but I don’t think declining economic times will help him or the Green vote.

  32. Yes, I think it makes absolute sense to put the most likely contender at the bottom if you hope to win.

    If you preference a major party, they might also be kinder to you, but are probably best kept towards the bottom in a marginal seat.

    Perhaps Labor and Libs both put Pauline Hanson at the bottom because they thought her influence might interfere with their mutual ongoing global agenda.

    The Senate ballot paper has become so long that, in future, I think I will be voting above the line to avoid making a mistake somewhere.
    The excessively long list of candidates creates long queues and an imperative to rush in and out of the building.

  33. If Mr Lee’s main motivation for crossing the floor to become a Green is hte Traveston Crossing Dam, from what I’ve read there seems to be a lot against it. The low depth of water seems ludicrous, if the depth of 2 metres over a great proportion of its area is true. When water is low vegetation will grow and rot, contributing to greenhouse gases. Even a low-numeracy-level person like myself can see that, as well as deplore the loss of large tracts of food-producing land. Sometimes people have to folow their principles. I’d like to see an independent enquiry into the proposed dam. Joh’s shadow still taints many processes in Qld.

  34. dolphins

    Dolphin Says: Joh’s shadow still taints many processes in Qld

    Yes but Joh wanted the second deep water dam. (the wolfdene Dam, we owned the land and were ready to go) Goss and Rudd killed that one off, then flogged off the land. (Creating the SE water problem).

    The Beattie Government had to find a spot that both made no sense at all and would chew up as many national votes as it could.
    Thats why he went for the shallow water traverston Dam.

    Lets face it without an upper house in Queensland we’ll never have any checks and balances. Whoever controls the lower house can and does what it wants.

    Tony

  35. Ronan Lee ,Ronan meaning Little Seal. Lee an open meadow! So that is what he leaves as his signature besides fluoride! Notice that water restrictions are ahappening in your neck of the woods,Andrew! Some of my hostility to Ronan could be the result of a non abundant rainfall here,and a whole stack of jealousy I will admit too ,as an Australian.The Traveston Dam decision still seems a shocker,as it is water restrictions,it might be a mean hot summer,including the temperature of the ocean up your way all the way down past the border,leaving The Greenhouse measures about the shifting temperature ranges back to Brissy again.But maybe a local council will remember to pump sea water across roads and gutters,to cool down the hotter parts of the area,if, that doesn’t cost heaps and readily drains back out to sea without further pollution or toxicity.That is if any one reads me,and finds it acceptable.

  36. Tony:

    Yes, still no upper house, and idiots in charge of opposition.

    To my knowledge, the Wolfdene Dam was going to be of absolutely mega proportions compared with others. I thought there was some question as to whether it was in the right place for catchment purposes, but I think quite a lot of rain fell there recently.

    The Gold Coast mayor seems reluctant to share his water resources, and wouldn’t make his residents observe water restrictions until the Hinze Dam had dropped to 95%. I guess he has already forgotten that it was almost empty not long ago.

    North Queensland is not too keen on sending its water down to SE Qld through the water grid either. I guess if you have a precious resource, you don’t want anyone else drinking it on you.

    Now Anna Bligh is intending to build a couple of new inner city train stations. This is probably so that the platforms don’t become so overcrowded that people fall onto the tracks.

    I think it was Naomi who mentioned overcrowded platforms in Sydney not long ago.

  37. Ronan Lee joining the QLD Greens is a good thing but the way the Queensland parliament is setup I think it will be impossible for him to be reelected next time round. Lets hope though.

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